LA Times Thinks Dodger Fans Are StupidPosted: May 26, 2010
Writer and Article Title:
Bill Shaikin, LA Times, May 26, 2010, Dodgers inquire about Clliff Lee and Roy Oswalt
What’s My Point?
There is nothing but speculation in this entire article.
Why Does it Matter?
Fans believe what is written even if there is no proof.
Dodgers inquire about Lee and Oswalt?
When I saw this title on the Internet I was shocked so I clicked it. I was surprised that the Dodgers would comment on whom they were trying to acquire. As I read, I simply made sure that the claims were backed up with facts or quotes.
The following is a breakdown of the article. We will go through each paragraph, read the claim, and then find the corresponding proof. I will give a “thumbs up” if Shaikin proves his point with fact or quote or a “thumbs down” if he doesn’t.
The title says that the “Dodgers inquired” about these 2 pitchers so we will try and find proof that the statements is valid.
The Dodgers have asked the Seattle Mariners about Cliff Lee and the Houston Astros about Roy Oswalt. The response from the Mariners and the Astros has been the same: We’re not about to trade our guy just yet, but we’ll get back to you if and when we do.
So far we are told that the Dodgers have inquired about both pitchers. Although it doesn’t quote Ned Colletti or any other Dodgers official, we will be on the lookout for the quote that confirms this statement. Shaikin also claims the Mariners and Astros are “not about to trade our guy just yet, but we’ll get back to you if and when they do.” So we will look for proof of that as well.
Even if the Dodgers were to agree to take on salary, the chances of a trade could depend on how deeply the Mariners and Astros wish to rebuild. The Dodgers’ top prospects are at the lower levels of the minor leagues, so the team would be an unlikely trade partner should the Mariners or Astros want a trade package to feature talent ready for the major leagues.
Thumbs down so far. We don’t have any quote, but we still have time. This paragraph gives us some background on the Dodgers system.
The Mariners might demand a more attractive prospect package because a half-season of Lee would come at $4.5 million. That would be one-fifth the cost of Oswalt, who is signed through 2011 — or one-ninth, if Oswalt asked the Dodgers to pick up a 2012 option in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause, for a total financial commitment of $39.5 million.
Thumbs down but again, we are only in the third paragraph. This portion tells the reader that the Mariners “might” ask for better prospects because Lee’s salary is “one-fifth” the cost of Oswalt’s or “one-ninth” of the total if Oswalt asks them to pick up his 2012 in order to wave his no trade clause.
Paragraphs 4, 5, and 6
These 3 paragraphs tell the reader what the Dodgers rotation looks like. Shaikin then says that Dodgers manager, Joe Torre,
“hopes the Dodgers can acquire a top veteran pitcher”
based on a suggestion.
“suggested the team would be better off if Kershaw at the top of the rotation were a luxury and not a necessity“
Shaiken then uses this next statement as though it proves his point.
“This is what, his second full year?” Torre said Wednesday. “It’s really unfair to say, ‘He’s pitching for us and we’ll be fine.’ “
So we are still thumbs down on the original statement that the Dodgers have inquired.
Paragraphs 7 and 8
General Manager Ned Colletti met with owner Frank McCourt in the Dodgers’ dugout before Tuesday’s game. Colletti would not discuss what players the Dodgers might be targeting but said he believes McCourt would consider adding salary on a case-by-case basis.
“I think it really depends on the deal,” Colletti said.
Thumbs down. Neither Ned Colletti nor Frank McCourt were quoted saying they “inquired” about Cliff Lee or Roy Oswalt.
So Let Me Get This Straight
The title of the article says the Dodgers inquired about these 2 pitchers, but Shaikin writes,
“Colletti would not discuss what players the Dodgers might be targeting but said he believes McCourt would consider adding salary on a case-by-case basis.”
I don’t get it? Where did Shaikin get this information without any statements that support his claim?
The fact of the matter is that the statements don’t exist. And while we are at it, why don’t we figure out where Torre said he would like a veteran pitcher. I can’t find any support for that either. If there were support, it would have been linked to the article or stated so that the reader could reference the information. My favorite point is the response from the Mariners and the Astros, which said they weren’t ready to make a move at this point. No proof there either.
Shaikin Doesn’t Backup a Single Statement
Shaikin’s title says the Dodgers inquired about Lee and Oswalt and there was ZERO proof.
Shaikin says that the Mariners and Astros responded by saying they aren’t going to trade just yet, but they’ll get back to you if they do. There is ZERO proof to that as well.
Shaikin says that Joe Torre hopes to acquire a top veteran pitcher and there is ZERO proof of that.
So here is what the article looks like based on facts.
“The Dodgers GM, Ned Colletti, will not comment on trades. But he did say that he believes that owner, Frank McCourt, would consider adding salary on a case-by-case basis.”
Here is what the reader is lead to believe
The Dodgers have called the Mariners and Astros to inquire about Lee and Oswalt. But the Mariners and Astros said that they are not going to make any move right now. Then the reader hears that Torre would like to have a veteran pitcher.
The LA Times knows the reader will believe anything as long as they “infer” that it is true. They have reached a point where they don’t even need to support their statements in the article. The title isn’t proven for goodness sake!
And don’t give me the Colletti and McCourt are sitting on the bench together bit. Sure they were. Heck, they might have flat out said these statements. But it wasn’t quoted, referenced, or proven and because of that, this article has purposely misled the reader.
Do you care?